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I'm with Jack...I'm calling bullshit on the stupid computer. What's with Charlie? How many ass kickins does that little guy need before he straightens up? And why does Sawyer give a rats ass about having all those guns?

Dre pointed out that the girl in the picture that the soldier had was Kate. If you remember, her adopted dad was in the army. also, i think i would take my chances with that damn button...that alarm gets on my nerves

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When Rousseau leads Sayid to a mysterious captive in the jungle, he becomes determined to find out if he is one of the "Others." Meanwhile, Sawyer discovers Hurley's potentially devastating breach of the survivors' trust and blackmails him into helping track an elusive island creature that won't leave Sawyer alone.

Maybe that's the producers' way to ease us into it...
Maybe this is a reality TV show...

I think you may be right about the "keep it simple" message to the fans.

Yesterday, Googling around for Lost sites, I saw something (now I wish I had bookmarked it) that said that Lost was initially signed for seven seasons. It's possible that, much like Babylon 5, there's a vague long story arc that is just beginning to unfold. If this is true, then we don't have near enough clues to make a significant guess.

But yeah, I'm also wondering about the Mr. Eko and the trees. If he likes them, why does he need to mark them -- as if he will need to reference them later to someone else ("find the 3 trees with Xes on them..." or something).

Zeke has something to do with the Dharma Initiative. Whether he's the guy from the video or not, he DOES quote Alvar Hanso. Zeke says, "A great man once said..."“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.” www.thehansofoundation.org and www.oceanic-airlines.com are official ABC sites. Lots of cool Easter eggs there. But anyway, I think Zeke is part of it somehow. Don't know if he went island crazy and doesn't like anyone on 'his' island, or if he and the others are still fulfilling whatever mission that Dharma was or is on.

From 4.8.15.164.24.42 to Fiji is 3200 miles

Yep. Don't forget that they said they were about 1000 miles off course when they planned on landing in Fuji. From your map, Fuji is about 1000 from the spot marked. This is where I got my Chthulu theory too, cause Mu is in that general area too.

I don't think Kate has been redeemed. I think in order for her to be redeemed is that she needs to be honest, and not so secretive.

- Kate pulled that bank-robbery stunt where she played the victim, forcing the bank manager to act. Only to have the same situation happen with Zeke.
- Charlie played a girl to get in to some money for some smack. Now that he's really fallen for Claire, she doesn't trust him when it comes to his addiction.
- Eko played a priest to save his neck, only to "become" one when he got to the island. We presume that the during in-between time, he's actually found redemption, and truely is penitent. But who knows...

So, what if the "incident" on the island is all about good and evil (the black and white theme)? That whatever scientific and psychological experiments combined in some freak accident that cases strong lines to be drawn. In this case, people that have been redeemed (Kate, Locke, Eko) are safe from the black smoke. And the Others want children, because they're not yet good or evil -- take them out of the equation, so to speak. Maybe that's why it grabbed John after he cost Boone his life trying to get the hatch open, since he maybe lost his island-given redemption.

That still wouldn't explain the black smoke as a security system though, as D'alene keeps referring to it.

Like Kate is in cahoots with Zeke. Making Jack think Zeke would really shoot Kate. Like she did with her boyfriend, faking out the bank manager.

Hmm. I'm giving suspicious looks at Kate. Seeing her with Zeke, I am reminded of her 'life threatening' situation during her planned bank robbery.

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The same reason Clairs kid could be "special" Walt does have some kind of special ability that has been shown, but the phsycic said that Clairs kid is "special" too. Also when Cyede met the french woman, she was saying something about the children, and it was breflie mentioned that the "others" needed kids for something.

the fact you need that they were on the plane, there names were listed on the flight manifest with the other people that were on the flight. the only persons name that was not on the flight manifest is Ethan, thats how they acted so quickly in chasing down ethan, charlie, and clair when ethan kidnaped them.

To Tobby, the pilot in the pilot said that they were off course, and were going to make an emergency landing in figi, they had circled back to get to figi when they crashed.

in the latest episode, locke mentions that the tailenders came from the east end of the island, and that the beach camp is on the west. in the episode "the other 48 days", we plainly (heheh, get it?) see the tail end of the plane come from the ocean towards the island. from this, we must assume (provided Lost physics aren't just completely made up) that the plane was travelling east to west -- the opposite direction it should have been travelling in.

although, in the pilot, (heheh, get it?) the pilot tells jack and kate that they were 1000 miles off course. so it could make sense that they were trying to head back to australia to make an emergency landing. if this is true, they hadn't reached the halfway mark between sydney and the nearest en route airport. so, the island should be relatively close to australia.

Pooh, that would be an interesting story arch, but the one hole I see is the Flight Manafest that Hurley used when taking a censes, the maifest that showed that one guy who tried to kidnap Clair. but its tv so who knows and it would be a good twist. On another note, when ever they show flash backs on the plane, they show everyone in the background, but I have never seen Michael or Walt. Yet his flash back when he picked up walt in sydney (if a real flash back) would not give them much time to get on the island.

So I watched Wednesday's episode last night. Interesting indeed. My thoughts? I think there is a mole within the Losties. The original Losties too, no one from the Tailies. It's going to be interesting seeing them trying to 'train' for a battle with "them" spying on them.

What if the black smoke are nanobots and it "possesses" humans to do Dharmas deeds, whatever they may be.

Went to the Driveshaft website and if you click on the Flight 815 button, they've put a few interesting mock articles about the people on the flight. Two notable ones are a Tech article that mentions a man that was on a plane with a laptop full of his research. He was on his way to a company that specializes in nanotechnology. The other interesting article was from a UFO magazine/site. They say some people on the plane had no ID or SSN. Like they didn't exist. I wonder if these are worth a grain of salt.

I see. Just cause it pulled Locke down, doesn't mean it was a bad thing. I'd have to watch it again to verify. Maybe it felt threatened. Hmm. Don't know about that.

OOH. I like that Quade. So maybe them being called to the island was a way to get rid of them? To keep everything in order? Sort of a butterfly effect thing? On a side note, did you see the images in the "black smoke?" If these things were, say, nanobots, it would support your theory. Maybe the Dharma initiative, being aware of the glitch, programmed something on the island to set it right, but needed the glitches all together. Notice how there was only one survivor of the plane crew, Cindy, and she ended up disappearing? I don't think any of the Losties, or Tailies were killed by the mysterious 'black smoke'. Since it knows their story, it knows they belong on the island. So it doesn't hurt them.

Then there's the Darma Initiative -- another group/faction. It's possible that the work that they're doing with electromagnetism and the "incident" that requires the numbers to be entered... has done something to maybe alter reality on the quantum level.

Maybe the incident caused probability to become out of whack -- hence the crossover backstories (people that are not related, through coincidence, wind up on the island when probabilty reaches some critical mass.) This would explain the tailies finding the other part of the film ("Don't mistake fate for coincidence"), the Nigerian plane and Charlie/Eko finding it, and Hugo's lottery numbers causing extreme bad luck.

And (maybe) those numbers aren't "cursed" per se, so much as maybe the equivelant of prime numbers in the realm of chance and probability...

Jack: Father tries to deceive the hospital, Jack goes with it at first, pusses out, goes to get his father from Sidney, ends up on this flight.

Kate: Deceives a bank manager to 'rob the bank' one of her partners fucks it up, she changes her goal for the safty box after shooting her partners, obviously this is the crime that potentially led to her capture placing her on this flight.

Sayid: Deceives the royal guard to help get his girlfriend free (this isn't necessarily how he got on the plane, but I haven't finished the series yet)

Clair: Was deceived by the psychic so she would keep the kid and placed on this flight

Swyer: Tried to deceive a family out of money, figured out they had a kid pussed out, had to flee Sydney so the guy he took a loan from didn't kill him.

Walt / Michale: (sounds like a stretch but fits) Michale deceived Walt that the dog was given to him. This also puts the dog on the plane

Jin / Sun: Sun deceived her husband so that she could leave him, pussed out because of 'love' but can speak english so he keeps the deception alive.

Charlie: Needed money and was going to deceive a rich family to rip them off. Decided to put the band back together and went to Sydney to see his brother.

Locke: Went to Sydney for a walk about, deceived them when making the reservations, they found out he was in a wheel chair and put him on this flight 'on their dime'.

Hurrly: (have not seen his back story yet)

I heard that Desmond had the Dharma logo on his jacket when he was running up and down the stadium stairs.

H.P. Lovecraft. This island may be close to R'lyeh. Supposedly R'lyeh is close to Pohnpei. Pohnpei is within 2,500 miles of Fiji. The first episode gives an idea of where the island is. The pilot says after 6 hours of flight their radio went dead. At this time they decide to turn around and head for Fiji. They hit some turbulance and crash. He also says that they were 1,000 off course. R'lyeh is a sunken island in the Cthulhu mythos. It is also the island that Cthulhu is supposedly on. Another island is Mu. Mu was "created" by Augustus Le Plongeon. He studied Mayan ruins and supposedly translated some writings. These writings supposedly spoke of Mu. According to the translations, Mayans are basically the survivors of Mu. Mu, like Atlantis but older, sank. According to mythos, Mu is where life began. The residents being called Muvians. These Muvians worshipped many gods, but at the top of the list were the three "sons" of Cthulhu. According to the Zanthu Tablets, a high priest pissed of the Gods by trying to get on of the sons to challenge the another. The Gods got pissed off and sunk the island. So what's this have to do with Lost? I don't know. They may be in the same location. The Black Rock was an old boat in the middle of the island. How'd it get there? Maybe the island was underwater and just happen to rise as this boat was in the area. What about the Mayans? If you watch the Dharma film. There is a part that shows a woman and a man sitting in front of each other at their desks. If you look over the womans head you'll see a round 'something'. To me this looks like a Mayan calendar. You've heard the "worlds going to end in 2012 theory, because it's the end of the cycle of the Mayan calendar." What if this is the island of Mu and the island rising is going to bring the end of the world. What if pushing the button every 108 is keeping it from rising? What if the end of humanity is the release of Lovecrafts beings? Just some things I've been thinking about.